The only way of getting missiles, med ext and mwd is with a ACR, AWU V and MAPC or ACR, AWU IV and a meta 3 MPAC costing nearly 10 mil. So yeah, it can be done but only with crazy skills or silly money (for a t1 frig).

To CCP Yitterbium, CCP Tallest, and CCP Fozzie,

A couple questions and a request.

What are the broad design goals, choices for each of the races combat ships, what are they supposed to be good at?

To me it seems, that Amarr is supposed to be good at lasers, passive armor tanking, and capacitor. With secondary weapons being drones and missiles, though it looks like your giving most races drones and missile ships eventually.

Minmatar, projectiles, missiles, speed, and active shield tanking. Though by far the most versatile race.

Gallente, Blasters, drones, active armor tanking, agility(?).

Caldari, Railguns, Missiles, passive shield tanking.

These of course don't list the EWAR of each race which is much more obvious.

My other question/request is, can we please get rid of the need for Amarr to have a bonus to using lasers? I'm not particularly picky about how it happens. I just think the a race I see as being the capacitor race, seems a little silly to have to have a bonus to cap to have your ship not cap out on its own. And on some ships before you even start talking about active tanking or using energy neutralizers. Shouldn't my ships be more cap stable than the rusty ships that have to fit solar panels not to cap out? Because at the moment and even after some, not all, of the changes they are not.

Does it seem unreasonable to want to be able to use my guns, some required ewar ((scram point or web), and a propulsion mod without capping out? I have very good cap skills but even EFTing some Amarr ships or going on the test server, I can't even do the basics for combat without running out of Capacitor.

Also you may want to consider the unpopularity of Amarr ships in the last Alliance Tourney as evidence that Amarr ships as a whole have gotten to the point where they need some love. I think part of the Tourney is the mid slot problem Amarr have. (as long as they have 2 mids I'm ok with it) But I think the other bigger problem is the capacitor issue and the lack of a useful second bonus on a lot of their ships.

So please as your going through these changes give Amarr capacitor some love!

Thanks for your time and attention.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

So bold text is where Rails are marginally better?
And here I was thinking at least beam lasers were okay of the two.

Posting to confirm this guy is laughably stupid.
(And probably needs to train his skill past 2 sometime)

To put this in nice simple words for you: yes, rockets do less on-paper DPS than an Enyo's blasters. However they do their full DPS, all the time with 100% reliability if you have the most basic idea of how to fit and fly a rocket using ship - which you apparently don't. STFU.

You really do not have a clue do you?
Hint: you can get full DPS on almost any frigate that's webbed and scrammed. They don't need to be going 225M/S, in fact they can be going about 600+ and you still do 100% damage because rocket explosion radius is so tiny that you need to be going very fast for damage reductions to start kicking in. Hell against the slower frigates you can even use rage rockets effectively.

So again, try training your skills past 2 sometime and then come back here before you start running your mouth about things you obviously do not understand.

Edit: on further experimentation, a Dramiel going 926m/s (single webbed) only gets a 20DPS reduction on the charts I'm using.
I can provide DPS graphs if requested.

Rocket ships fight in web range. Their damage to an inty going 4 km/sec is irrelevant. The example shows that you don't have the slightest idea how rocket ships are actually used in combat.

Every time you post it just confirms your ignorance. An inty going 4km/s would not be hit by rockets (or much else, actually) at all.
An inty in web range on the other hand (you know, that area rocket ships actually fight in?*) is not going 4km/s and will melt very quickly.


*Just giving a free tip to someone who obviously doesn't know how to fly a rocket frigate.

In this case its just the condor recieving a 10% kinetic missile damage bonus. I suspect we'll see a simmilar layout with the kestrel however the fact that the kessie has not only a 4th launcher but will probably recieve a 4/3/3 layout to make use of them (i can but hope) will go a long way to differentiating between it and the condor.


What I'm now interested to look into is the Bantam which if memory serves was listed to be a more rail intensive combat vessel to counterpart the merlin. perhaps a return of the merlin's old range and resist bonus combined with 3 railguns?